hapkido arm bar:
BJJ arm bar:
...oh and as far as defining a submission MA based on tapping out, that does not work because they are designed to either bread, dislocate, or choke someone just as joint manipulation MAs. and in HKD we use tapping to tell someone when to stop too.
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Last edited by disgruntled; November 27th, 2007 at 06:05 PM.
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