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Old May 21st, 2007, 03:19 PM
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Greetings in Peace,
These are some notes from NMS Message board Regarding the way (method) we think about Chinese Martial arts and martial arts in general.
These notes also taken from EoE – Su Dong Chen on Tai Chi Chuan, which has been one of the resources for NMS.
I believe this thinking should be addressed for Tai Chi Chuan and all Martial and Health Sciences for them to survive and continue.
Peace be with you Shen.

All style (Labels-limitation conditioning) is but an entrance to martial arts. Each style or system inherently conceives of martial arts and combat from its distinct point of view (Philosophy), and regards its opinion as normative and absolute (labeling- limitation conditioning). As such, they stop at the level of one-dimensional subjectivity.
There can be no objective knowledge regarding other styles if one has not graduated (evolution) from style. The training system from which graduation is forever impossible is predicated upon mind control through information management, restriction of action and movement, and emotional control (The Philosophy of Limitation-Resistance.). The restraint (Resistance) of subjectivity precludes the possibility of Essence-Recognition and Evolution (Natural Motion Systems).
Furthermore, the inability to apply training is a condition that, it is a well-known fact that many martial arts and Budo, despite years of training, cannot use their form.

“An admonition opposes the ear, and truth wakes one from dreaming.”
Regarding? Most Martial arts schools and contemporary Bushido, which claim their methods, can be used,

The truth is they can only be used in three situations:
1) if a student is the partner, (Human Punching bag)
2) if a smaller, weaker person is the partner, and
3) if an amateur is the partner.

When a partner becomes an adversary, an experienced martial artist, or a fighting expert, the claims of usefulness fall short; a deplorable state indeed. A martial art must be effective against any (Player) opponent. In the event of a sudden conflict, one cannot select the opponent’s body type, school, style, etc.

In Sun-Tzu’s classic of military tactics, “The Art of War,” it is said “Know yourself, know your enemy, and never lose in 100 conflicts. Know yourself, know not your enemy, win half the time, lose half the time. Know not yourself, know not your enemy, and surely lose.”
“ Tai Chi Chuan –Knowledge of self.”
It is easy for the mouth to say that the “self and enemy are known,” and easier still to hear the words. However, in school-based martial arts and the contemporary classification-management of fighting styles,

It is difficult to actually study technical principle and tactical law? For the martial art from which graduation (Evolution) is impossible, as in most Budo, this constitutes the condition of “not knowing oneself,” and the vertical division-organization by school and style creates a contemporary condition of “not knowing the enemy.”

Physique, style/system, technique, and skill level are all examples of information about an opponent, but in a sudden conflict, it is difficult to know such information. Furthermore, it is impossible to know all martial arts and fighting styles/systems, as they number in the thousands? Also, there are many people who have studied in more than one system of martial arts.
Therefore, as long as consciousness is limited by the subjectivity of fighting style and system, it is impossible to objectively “known the enemy.”
From the Form to its Essence
From Tradition to the Evolution
From pursuit of limit
To the research of possibility
NMS a way of understanding.

“To know oneself and the enemy” is to maintain objectivity. Of course anyone will become emotional if the faults of their style or school are touched upon? Because humans are emotional animals, emotion often supersedes fact, and if there is too much emotional speech and conduct, people can become blind?
Therefore, proposes the following direction to bypass emotional consideration, with the common starting point that “style is the entrance of martial arts, and system is but a part of combat

Because most styles of martial arts and fighting systems have prepared their own framework of thought, their fate is to think and reason within the limits of that framework. For example, although Taiji Quan includes Chen-style, Yang-style, Wu-style, Sun-style, etc., it is impossible for Y-formula Taiji Quan to comment upon X-formula Taiji Quan.
This state is not limited to Taiji Quan; Judo for example is “only Judo” from beginning to end, and cannot objectively evaluate jujutsu, aikido, wrestling, Shuai Jiao, Sambo, etc. Most Styles and systems of martial arts have an inherently narrow technical theory and combat method;

therefore they are not in the position to comprehend other styles and systems. One cannot exceed the framework of style and system if one’s aim and direction are confined to those styles and systems. To exceed these frameworks, a conversion of one’s thinking is necessary.

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Old July 20th, 2007, 09:10 PM
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Do you think tht martial arts would work well in in street fighting?
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excuse me but that just seems like a lot of a waste of time, trying to repeat bits and parts of Bruce Lee's jeet kune do concepts... and then going ahead and trying to attack traditional martial arts. Yes it's not practical to be confined to one style or system, but before one wants to break the rules, they must learn the rules. all styles and systems can be learned as they are, and then integrated into one's own style of fighting usefully. just because one style or system seems non-practical on their own, doesn't make it useless.
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Agreed.

Of course, Shen is a spammer, and one of the many, many martial artists who is the only one who "knows the true Way".
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