UFC-A Hoax ?

[Rickster]

UFC-A Hoax

Could UFC be a hyped craze. A fad that may burn out?

But if you would read the rules, it has limited many particpants who are not grapplerss.

Fouls:
1. Butting with the head.
(Ive seen head butts by grapplers to weaken the opponent for easier submission.)

2. Eye gouging of any kind.
(Of course not. Limit another stand-up tactic)

3. Biting. (This would weaken the grappler)

4. Hair pulling.
(Ive seen hair pulling by grapplers to get a better hold over the opponent for easier submission.)

5. Fish hooking.
(????)

6. Groin attacks of any kind. (Ive seen this by grapplers to weaken the opponent for easier submission.)

7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent. (????)

8. Small joint manipulation.
Too easy to control a grappler. Grappler train for large joints)

9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head. (When a grappler bends forward for the shoot, his head, back, spine is exposed. Limiting a striker's ability to stop the grab)

10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
(Per #9)

11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
(If a striker could do this, a grappler cannot keep hold)

12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
(Ditto all above)

13. Grabbing the clavicle.
(Dittoall above)

14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent. (Grappler is the first to go on the ground. Cannot strike in this manner or the grappler would get beat.)

15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
(#14)

16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
(#14-15)

17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
(Many times when a grappler haas shoulders on mat and egs up and around a opponent's arm, the opponet has a straight kick to the kidney)

18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck. (Of course not-agrappler doesnt want to be wrestled)

19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
(No comment)

20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
(Yet a grappler can hold onto the slevvees and lapels?)

21. Spitting at an opponent.
(No comment)

22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
(Injury? Blood and arm locks not painful?)

23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.
(No commentary)

[chipinoh]

I'm not really a "fan" (I've never paid for a PPV event), but I'm fairly confident it's legit. If the rules favor some styles over others, well, I guess anyone is welcome to start their own league.

[sirdarksol]

My issue isn't that they limit many styles' abilities. My issue is that they do so, and then people say "Well, Guy #1 beat the tar out of Guy #2 in UFC, and Guy #2 is an awesome fighter, so no karate/tae-kwon-do/kung fu practitioner could beat Guy#1."
This is seriously the line of thinking that people follow. I've had the conversation dozens of times, and every person I've had it with has failed to admit what is being shown here. This type of grappling/submission is most useful when the opponent has very limited techniques and targets. For example, karate targets the weaker points of the body with the specific purpose of hurting or possibly killing the target.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the need for these rules. In the heat of a fight, small joint manipulation can easily turn into a thumb that's been torn out of its socket. Eye gouging can lead to permanent blindness (unlikely, as it usually just irritates the lid, but it can happen). Groin kicks can lead to permanent impotency.

On a different note, I'm amused that some of these fouls are set up to make the matches more interesting for the average person to watch. "Timidity...including avoiding contact with the opponent..." See, that's the kind of thing that I use, waiting for the opponent to leave an opening. Far better to not be where your opponent is striking than to try to block, in my opinion. The problem with this is that they'll see a person "running away" for a few minutes, then move in and either finish it quickly or get finished quickly.

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by sirdarksol

My issue isn't that they limit many styles' abilities. My issue is that they do so, and then people say "Well, Guy #1 beat the tar out of Guy #2 in UFC, and Guy #2 is an awesome fighter, so no karate/tae-kwon-do/kung fu practitioner could beat Guy#1."
This is seriously the line of thinking that people follow. I've had the conversation dozens of times, and every person I've had it with has failed to admit what is being shown here. This type of grappling/submission is most useful when the opponent has very limited techniques and targets. For example, karate targets the weaker points of the body with the specific purpose of hurting or possibly killing the target.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the need for these rules. In the heat of a fight, small joint manipulation can easily turn into a thumb that's been torn out of its socket. Eye gouging can lead to permanent blindness (unlikely, as it usually just irritates the lid, but it can happen). Groin kicks can lead to permanent impotency.

On a different note, I'm amused that some of these fouls are set up to make the matches more interesting for the average person to watch. "Timidity...including avoiding contact with the opponent..." See, that's the kind of thing that I use, waiting for the opponent to leave an opening. Far better to not be where your opponent is striking than to try to block, in my opinion. The problem with this is that they'll see a person "running away" for a few minutes, then move in and either finish it quickly or get finished quickly.

But MMA people say they can do these things as well...


MMA, as if this is some kind of "new" martial art.

[sirdarksol]

Originally Posted by Rickster

But MMA people say they can do these things as well...


MMA, as if this is some kind of "new" martial art.

And someone who truly mixes martial arts can. I have a friend who has studied jiu jitsu, karate, and muay thai. I consider him to be a martial artist who truly studies mixed martial arts.
The people who call their style MMA are usually folks who focus on ring-style submissions, eschewing the more devastating, less ring-friendly maneuvers because this won't help them win at the sport.
As far as MMA being a "new" martial art, that is just amusing to me. It's not even really a new concept. The style of karate I study could be called MMA, as it mixes Chinese and Japanese styles.

Edit: By the way, welcome back to the forums. Take a look around and respond to a few of the threads.

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by sirdarksol

And someone who truly mixes martial arts can. I have a friend who has studied jiu jitsu, karate, and muay thai. I consider him to be a martial artist who truly studies mixed martial arts.
The people who call their style MMA are usually folks who focus on ring-style submissions, eschewing the more devastating, less ring-friendly maneuvers because this won't help them win at the sport.
As far as MMA being a "new" martial art, that is just amusing to me. It's not even really a new concept. The style of karate I study could be called MMA, as it mixes Chinese and Japanese styles.

Edit: By the way, welcome back to the forums. Take a look around and respond to a few of the threads.

I know, I was being sarcastic.

I keep coming across BJJers/Wreslters who seem to project that MMA is the best martial art, or something.

(I even have wrestlers saying that wrestling is a must for MMA, though they only point to winner of the UFC)

I'm sorry, I play semantics with words, but the "Ultimate Fighting", would be one for your life. ot limited one method.

MMA, this has been around as it was referred to as multiple/cross training, eclectic training.

MMA, what does the first letter/word mean?

[disgruntled]

MMA has become nothing more than a washed down version of muay thai and BJJ. so in that sense it is its own style. but i personally do not consider MMA a Mixed martial art, because they don't really mix anything. it is just MT BJJ and not always a full version of either.

as far as the rules go, you got to keep in mind that the UFC was developed by the gracies as propaganda for their school/style, so the rules are going to favour their style. if you watch the early UFC it is disgustingly blantant that it was set up for the gracies to win....

[eYoon]

in all fairnes...

2. Eye gouging of any kind.
you don't want anybody going blind or something

3. Biting.
of course not. very dangerous, bloody, and need i say anything more than ahem*mike tyson*ahem

4. Hair pulling.
you know in some cases you can pull off the scalp with the hair as well.

5. Fish hooking.
very dangerous and possibly bloody and etc. etc.

6. Groin attacks of any kind.
extremely dangerous for the competitors.

7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
very dangerous

8. Small joint manipulation.
it's unlikely most would submit to these, and complications and serious injury can result

9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
you could possibly paralyze or KILL the person

11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
you could possibly kill a person by eagle clawing their trachea

12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
bloody, gorey, very dangerous, ugly to watch.

13. Grabbing the clavicle.
also very dangerous

14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
you don't want people dying now.

15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
yup

16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
mhm

18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
people could easily be paralyzed or die like this

21. Spitting at an opponent.
unsanitary




well... they COULD just let go of all the rules and have an actual display of MIXED martial arts, but without rules it would just be like comparable to gladiator times, seeing two men go after each other and possibly kill each other. in order to gain acceptance as an actual sport, they placed these restrictions for the safety of the competitors.

now... perhaps the rules DO favour some styles over another, but what do you want them to do? they're businessmen wanting to promote and market this as viable entertainment and as a real sport... and without rules it would come under severe criticism of the public as if it's not getting that already.



and disgruntled... now i'm not completely sure but wasn't it that the first few UFC's didn't have a lot of those rules they have today?

[sirdarksol]

eYoon, the question isn't so much whether or not the rules are necessary, but whether the statement "Ultimate Fighting Championship" is accurate, since it is a really limited cross-section of fighting.

[eYoon]

Originally Posted by sirdarksol

eYoon, the question isn't so much whether or not the rules are necessary, but whether the statement "Ultimate Fighting Championship" is accurate, since it is a really limited cross-section of fighting.

i don't see any problem with that. it's just a name. debating whether it really is the "ultimate fighting championship" sounds like silly children's discussions to me...