Fighting, Spirituality, and Martial Arts

[DOCBROWN1705]

Martial arts over time have evolved to be far more aggressive, and violent in nature. Just because they can be used and adapted to kill, does not mean that that is what they should be used for. Nor does that mean that it is what they are intended for.

I have seen violence, and death up close and personal, and I don't think that intentionally causing either of them will ever be considered ok. However I have always believed that If you must fight, fight to win.... just be sure that you are fighting for the right reason, and insure that there are no other options.

[disgruntled]

hasn't it eveolved to be less leathal? originally it was used for war, revolution, defence against a real threat. today it is more for fun.

[DOCBROWN1705]

Yes and no.......Yes in the sense that less hand to hand combat occurs in war, and no in the sense that it is miss used in society, and on the street.

Yes it was designed as a way of defense in times of conflict , so obviously, it was used as a skill during war, as it still is today. Now however on the street I see it being used as a tool of aggression, and bullying.
This, in no way is meant as a generalization, however in the fights and violence I see at work, and on the street 9 time out of 10 it is the more skilled and trained fighter that is the aggressor. And I know I am going to get alot of backlash for saying it, but it is almost always someone who has trained in MMA, or has been poorly trained by a Mcdojo.. Im sure I could go on forever, I guess all I am trying to say is that it seems today that people have lost sight of the fact that the intent is self defense, and that the "soft" side of any art is a necessity.

[rolltroll]

i agree with docbrown on the aggressive attitude from the mcdojo mma type.Not all MMA participants are aggressive Bleep bleep bleep.(Bleep)
i still look at the fact that i use what i was taught in the army at my current job to subdue drug induced violent people with the knowledge that I'm in control once my hands are on them. i (knock on wood) have not injured a single combative person. and yes i use the same skills taught for the purpose of combat, and have used in combat.

as far as Bushido code, i would say if the soldier has trained in the martial arts yes, but the army has its own ethos that it teaches and its own code of conduct.

Army values
loyalty:bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the army,your unit, and other soldiers
duty:fulfill your obligations
Respect: treat people as they should be treated
Self-service: Put the welfare of the nation, the army, and your subordinates before your own
Honor: live up to all the army values
Integrity: do what's right, legally and morally
personal courage: Face fear, danger, or adversary(physical or moral)

[disgruntled]

i would insult the army's values, but considering it sounds very similar to the values of the lower samurai and bushido is a samurai term, i would be a total hypocrite.

i agree with the McDojo comment and the MMA comment too. and i think that it is primarily because MMA and McDojo's (for the most part) do not place an emthasis on honour.

[eYoon]

most MMA guys are just jacked up protein addicts that are clumsy and strong.

[sirdarksol]

Originally Posted by eYoon

most MMA guys are just jacked up protein addicts that are clumsy and strong.

I wouldn't say "most," but definitely a large enough group that they figure in heavily.

I've seen a couple of little guys in MMA groups, too.

[disgruntled]

Originally Posted by eYoon

most MMA guys are just jacked up protein addicts that are clumsy and strong.

good point... a lot of that protein crap is just steroids..... do they test for that in MMA??

[eYoon]

Originally Posted by disgruntled

good point... a lot of that protein crap is just steroids..... do they test for that in MMA??

they must... and if they don't they shud.

[sirdarksol]

I'm sure it depends on the league. I highly doubt that the little, near-underground MMA leagues test their fighters.

This then makes me think of something else.
I'm off to write another thread.